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This process is both lengthy and expensive. In theory, a compounding pharmacy, specialising in custom-made pharmaceutical products, could make them if you have a prescription. Without a TGA approved product available, you may find it difficult to find a doctor willing to provide a prescription at this stage. There are products available online, but many of the same issues above will apply.
If you buy the product overseas, it is very possibly it could get held up in customs. That aside, alkyl nitrites being brought into the country are subject to many of the same restrictions mentioned above. Do I drink it? Where can I get information on using Amyl or Poppers safely? Never drink amyl or poppers. Thankfully there are some great resources out there.
An interesting and informative thread. I intend to include a character who makes "moonshine poppers" in my next novel. Currently he is only a minor character, but that may change. I would also like to see the recipe. There will be problems and you won't know how to troubleshoot because you are not a chemist and you will be inhaling something that is likely impure and containing any number of unknown and toxic impurities.
You say You are going to have google more to find them. To put out a blanker statement such as yours is absolute Bullcrap. Interestingly, you end your warning with a marketing plug for 'Locker Room'. The fact is, OTC companies know they are screwing the public and are worried of an ignorant public becoming informed and knowledgeable to DIY and their shenanigans.
This fact applies to damn near any facet of life. The truth is, DIY is entirely focused on harm reduction, both to your health, and your wallet.
Commercial alkyl nitrites amyl, pentyl, butyl, isobutyl, etc. Learn how to make your own safely with DIY and mitigate the health risks associated with over the counter junk. I've already listed my personal email in this thread and have invited anyone interested in DIY to message me so I can steer them toward a safer, cheaper and far more satisfying experience. To date, one person here has taken me up on that offer. That same offer still stands for those of you with discerning and open minds!
You failed to mention one thing They won't know what's wrong. Anyone can read a simple procedure, but without a full chemistry understanding, and a way to test for purity, there will be lots of problems that the "simple procedure" won't or cannot address. There's plenty of disgruntled popper inhalers who are well aware that OTC poppers are highly inconsistent in quality as you alluded, but this POINTS to one glaring problem Can you make a bowl of cereal, or a batch of chocolate chip cookies, provided you followed a recipe?
You are really making a mountain out of a molehill here. Please elaborate on these ever present "problems", based on your own experience.
The procedure and lb equipment is the same, the ingredients are the same. The amount of the ingredients, based on a 0. This is a very straightforward process, rinse and repeat if you will. I have made numerous batches and have yet to have any "problems".
Strike that, one batch wasn't up to par and I realized the most important ingredient NaNO2 - i. Sodium Nitrite was degraded. I then simply refined that same batch of NaNO2, again following a very simple refining process, and was able to refine the once bunk NaNO2 to a lab grade quality. That was the only "problem" I have ever encountered.
You may be so kind as to direct us all to those OTC makers who are so adept at making poppers that they don't have any problems??? We would all like to know where to shop. Surely, as easy as they are to make, following a simple recipe, there is some outfit you can recommend???
Not wishing to butt in BUT the problem with poppers generally only started when the Chinese started flooding the market. They copy everything and that is all over the US market, right? I understand China products are crap. Why would PWD suddenly decide to change their successful brands? Like Coca-Cola suddenly saying "oh screw this we will just make some brown liquid crap and it will be OK" It didn't happen.
You just need to know where to look, man! It is difficult sure, Chinese even copied the red cap Rush! We are going in a circular pattern here, Man. I was "direct" readers here to go the DIY route. The formula they used when he ran the show was different than todays. Miller's death along with U. Even then, many of the "old school" poppers were Butyl as it is more reactive then Amyl.
Oh OK, thanks. What is the difference with these 2 formulas? It's a mixed bag of deception. I had seen an article from an Australian publication which actually did a government sponsored laboratory study on various brands of OTC products to determine if the actual contents within the OTC labelled bottles was what they claimed. I believe they determined that only 1 out of the 4 products they tested was verified to contain IsoButyl as the bottle claimed.
The rest claimed Iso Amyl, Pentyl, etc.. So, they might label them as Butyl, Amyl, etc Here is the link to the actual study The Chinese put cheap iso-p into a bottle and don't give a shit if the label is bullshit. You said that PWD changed the formula. No change, man! Regulators coming down on amyl nitrite was in the 60s when Miller was not involved.
PWD didn't invent iso-butyl, Hassing did. PWD bought out Hassing and changed to butyl. Joe Miller did not invent anything, he bought the company from Jay Freezer's mother when Jay died. So when those guys set up in Indiana then it was just the same as in SF.
He died, yeah, not good I don't want a fight, man, but this is just wrong what you are saying. Blame the Chinese fakes, not the OTC mainstream. Blame the adult store buyers who get a cheap iso bottle that looks cool for less money! I don't know the long history of commercial poppers in the USA from personal use. But I do know how the various nitrites smell and effect. And based on effects and odor, the poppers I did buy in the years leading up to Joe's death were much more like amyl nitrite. I could take long whiffs for extended sessions and NEVER suffer side effects as I do with butyl, isobutyl and isopropyl.
And butyl smells like sweet spray paint, isobutyl smells like sweet nail polish remover and isopropyl has a sickening sweet scent. Nothing I used in the few years before Joe died smelled as sweet as those. And normal chain amyl nitrite has a very subtle odor It's hard to describe because it's so subdued.
Not the others Butyl should smell like old socks, raw and pungent. Amyl should smell like tropical fruit, sticky sweet. PWD had state of the art bottling machinery. Any significant o2 exposure in bottling will kick start degrade and create weird astringent aromas. The other factor apart from the bottling tech: that little white pellet. This is 2nd hand info; but it kinda makes sense to me.
What I never understood was how iso-pentyl nitrite fits with amyl. I have pentyl now, and it seems good without side effects, but defo not as hard hitting as old school iso-butyl. I see people talk about a "slutty" feel and I get that, it is a good butyl signature note. For somebody who throws around alot of information, it still is confounding how ill-informed you actually are. I will tell you anything with PWD today is not the same. By the way, Butyl was banned in Didn't mean a damn thing as manufacturers could still blend their actual alcohols as a work around.
Look up and compare Pentyl and Amyl, you might be surprised. Check out real PWD product before making these wild assertions about "blends". Even since Rush found it's position as the number 1 brand it was copied.
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